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Puella Magi Mafia Fallout Thread

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Hey y'all I absolutely am not gonna keep up the Kyubey thing for the fallout thread lmao. Here's some info and notes and shit for you:
[+] setup notes
Starting Setup:
Jailkeeper - roleblocks and protects target
Bodyguard - protects target but dies in their stead
Gunsmith - investigative role, learns if target has a gun (all mafia members + the vigilante have a gun, the serial killer does not)
Follower - investigative role, learns what action the target took at night, if any
Innocent Child - can choose to be confirmed as town at any time
Non-Consecutive Vigilante - can perform a kill at night but cannot do so two nights in a row
Vengeful Townie - can choose to kill someone else with them when lynched
Miller - comes up as Mafia to a cop investigation (a red herring, as there is no cop in the setup)
x5 Vanilla Townies
1x Bulletproof Mafia Leader - 1x bulletproof but not immune to investigations (not a Godfather), has final say on mafia kills
Mafia Strongman - mafia kill goes through them for investigative purposes, can once during the game perform a kill that pierces protection
Mafia Vanilla Cop - investigative role, learns if a target is vanilla or not (serial killer counts as vanilla)
Mafia Goon
1x Bulletproof Serial Killer - 1x bulletproof, compulsive night kill, immune to Gunsmith investigations but not the Follower

For an 18-person game 4 mafia is fairly standard so I probably don't need to explain that particular choice.

Power roles for the town were chosen specifically such that none could be considered "all-powerful" and all had checks and balances on them. There were two protective roles to start with, the Bodyguard and the Jailkeeper, each are significantly weaker than a normal Doctor; the Bodyguard can only successfully protect once, and the Jailkeeper roleblocks who they protect. The idea was to neuter the Follow the Cop strategy by making it impossible to both protect an investigative role and have them continue getting results.

The investigative roles follow a similar path in that neither can catch all of the anti-town faction members on their own. The Gunsmith cannot catch the Serial Killer and gets a false positive on the Vigilante; the Follower can only catch the Mafia member currently doing the killing but can catch the Serial Killer and also confirm other roles.

The Vigilante adds a third night kill to the Mafia's and the Serial Killer's, but only on alternating nights. This was meant to improve the pace of the game without making it too quick, as well as to allow the town to get some offense in during night phases.

The Miller was a red herring, meant to cause the town (and the Mafia) to assume there was a Cop present when there was not.

The Innocent Child and Vengeful Townie are relatively weak town roles present to give small added advantages to the town, and the VTs round out the roster. Most SotF mafia games don't have many (or any) Vanilla Townies, but they're the easiest way to add numbers without unbalancing things.

As for the mafia, the Leader was given x1 Bulletproof to give them and only them some small measure of protection. Godfathers are not Normal-game legal, so no member of the Mafia has investigation immunity. The Strongman is a fairly standard mafia role. The Vanilla Cop was added partially for flavor reasons and partially to help the Mafia choose better nightkill targets, though they were prevented from finding the Serial Killer due to the Serial Killer technically being Vanilla.

Finally, the Serial Killer was given x1 Bulletproof due to the difficulty of winning as the Serial Killer generally. They also had immunity, by basis of the role description, from both the Gunsmith and Vanilla Cop's investigations, making them only directly vulnerable to the Follower's investigation or to plain old lynching.
[+] role PMs
[+] General Goose


A kind and caring girl, you were sucked into the world of magical girls by circumstances beyond your imagining. You care deeply for your friends and want nothing more than to keep them safe and happy, though the world keeps conspiring to make this impossible. Once you thought yourself weak and wished only to be useful to others, but your power is beyond imagining.

Your innocence is beyond question—you are the INNOCENT CHILD. At any point over the course of the game you may ask Kyubey, your humble moderator, to confirm in game that you are a member of the Town. You may do this during the day (in which case the announcement will be made immediately) or during the night phase (in which case the announcement will be made in the morning following the night phase).

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Primrosette
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You are Homura Akemi!


Quiet and mysterious, people find you deeply intimidating. That is because they have no idea how much you have suffered, over the course of more time than they could imagine having lived. You have hardened your heart to criticism and to kindness alike, but your one weakness is the one thing that can still make you break down—your closest friend and the girl you love, Madoka Kaname.

You must protect those you love at all costs—you are the BODYGUARD. At night, you may choose one person to protect. If that person is attacked during the night, they will not die. However, you will die in their stead.

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] MurderWeasel
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You are Sayaka Miki!


Earnest and ready to help people at all times, you were given the power to wish for the impossible when you became a Magical Girl—and you chose to help the boy you loved play music again. Selfless and self-sacrificing, your greatest failing is your inability to save yourself when you're too busy saving others. Even so, your friendship is invaluable, and your work ethic admirable.

You despise evil and care deeply for justice—your search for evil has made you the GUNSMITH. At night, you may choose one person to investigate. You will receive results as No Gun, Gun, or No Result depending on your target and other circumstances. All mafia members carry guns, but not all people with guns are mafia members.

(Of course, our mafia members don't really use guns, they use magic, but we'll let that slide, shall we?)

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] blastinus
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You are Mami Tomoe!


A mature and experienced magical girl, others tend to come to you for advice and wisdom. You can keep a cool head in the worst of situations, and though deep down you are desperately lonely you guide those who wish for your help as best you can. Becoming a magical girl was a new lease on life for you, and unlike many, you have no reservations about encouraging others to follow in your footsteps.

Your protective nature for your friends can sometimes go to extremes—you are the JAILKEEPER. At night, you may choose one person to jail. If that person is attacked during the night, they will not die. However, any night action that person might perform is blocked in the process.

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Grim Wolf
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You are Kyoko Sakura!


Hotheaded and wild, you care more for yourself than for anything else. You can go to extremes to protect your territory, your life, and most importantly your food, but as of late you've made some friends who keep you at least somewhat grounded. Being a magical girl is a job to you—helping people is a nice benefit, yeah, but you're in it mostly to keep yourself safe, and anyone who judges you for that can get bent.

Your fiery temper is bound to get set off one day—you are the VENGEFUL TOWNIE. For most intents and purposes, you are indistinguishable from a normal Townie, with only your wits and your vote as your allies. However, if you are lynched, after the lynch you are permitted to choose any other person to die along with you. This is not compulsory, and you may choose to kill no one if you wish. In the case where your death ends the game, the game ends immediately and you do not get this opportunity.

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] BlizzardeyeWonder
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You are Nagisa Momoe!


In another world, you were a terrible witch by the name of Charlotte, and you were responsible for terrible things. But in this world you're simply a young girl who loves cheese and cake and her friends. You are very young and quite childish, but you speak with a surprising air of sophistication. Your closest friend, Mami, is always there to keep you safe.

Unfortunately, you cannot escape what the alternate you has done, and others find you suspicious—you are the MILLER. For most intents and purposes, you are indistinguishable from a normal Townie, with only your wits and your vote as your allies. However, if you are investigated by a Cop, your alignment will come up as Not Town.

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Emprexx Plush
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You are Yuma Chitose!


A deeply troubled child, your abusive family was killed by a witch, and you became a magical girl to protect the friend who saved you, Kyoko Sakura. Under her care you can finally have a happy childhood, if not a normal one. With your youth comes childishness, insecurity and spontaneity, but you're capable of surprisingly maturity in difficult circumstances.

You fear nothing more than being abandoned, and your ability to keep others in your sight is unparalleled—you are the FOLLOWER. At night, you may choose one person to investigate. You will receive information on what action that person took at night, in the form of "Your target <took this action> last night," or, if no action was taken, "Your target took no action."

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Ruggahissy
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You are Tart!


You may know yourself better as Jeanne D'Arc, the Maid of Orleans. You are bright, cheerful, and overwhelmingly optimistic in the worst of circumstances and even in the face of terrible news. Your powers are unusually strong, and you wield them in defense of your nation, not worrying about the inevitable terrible fate that will befall you.

You believe in justice and you will protect your people—you are the NON-CONSECUTIVE NIGHT VIGILANTE. At night, you may choose one person to kill. This kill is not compulsory. If you do choose to use this action, you cannot use it again on the next night. This remains true if your kill is blocked in some fashion.

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Riki


Tomboyish and cheerful, you take it upon yourself to bring rookie magical girls under your wing. With your experience you never lead them astray. You have a bad habit of letting grudges weigh on you for too long, and you're a bit too prideful to let things go when you should, but deep down you care for the people you love even though sometimes you have a hard time showing it.

Despite your power, right now you are simply a VANILLA TOWNIE. Your only allies are your wits and your vote. Use them wisely and well!

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] KamiKaze
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You are Iroha Tamaki!


A quiet and sometimes shy girl, you are on a journey to find your little sister, whose life you used your wish to save. You are cheerful and earnest once you open up, but you have a bad habit of putting the needs of others ahead of your own regardless of the circumstances. You are determined and relentless on your quest, and will do anything to convince others to help you on your path.

Despite your power, right now you are simply a VANILLA TOWNIE. Your only allies are your wits and your vote. Use them wisely and well!

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Irina Ivanov


A mysterious and intimidating magical girl, you stand as an obstacle in the path of any who would enter your territory. If a girl is not capable of standing against you in single combat, they are not strong enough to handle witches. You work alone and try not to associate with others, but you have soft spots for many, and your hard shell tends to crumble around your closest friends.

Despite your power, right now you are simply a VANILLA TOWNIE. Your only allies are your wits and your vote. Use them wisely and well!

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] MethodicalSlacker


Loud, brash, and endlessly energetic, you live the life of a mercenary. Your parents were killed by a witch and you hold a hatred for them that borders on pathological, driving your actions. You are unyielding, unfettered, and impossible to contain—those that hire you for your unparalled skills in hunting witches often find they got more than they bargained for.

Despite your power, right now you are simply a VANILLA TOWNIE. Your only allies are your wits and your vote. Use them wisely and well!

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Jilly
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You are Tsuruno Yui!


Reckless and energetic, you come from an honorable family with deep roots that has unfortunately fallen to ruin. You struggle every day to restore your prominence, and to that end you fight every day to become the strongest magical girl. You train constantly, asking your friends and allies constantly to train and spar with you. You can be exhausting to those who love you—but there's no one more loyal to have around.

Despite your power, right now you are simply a VANILLA TOWNIE. Your only allies are your wits and your vote. Use them wisely and well!

You win with the Town when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] dmboogie
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You are Oriko Mikuni!


With the power to see the future, you began your life as a magical girl seeing a world in ruin. You feel responsible for this vision, and it is your sacred duty to prevent it, no matter the cost—to you, the ends justify the means. With your politically powerful family and your own personal charisma, it is not difficult for you to use Machiavellian tactics to reach your goals. You care deeply about Kirika, your closest friend, and your family is important to you, but others are pawns to you to use and discard as necessary.

You have the means and a good reason to destroy the city's magical girls—you are the 1x BULLETPROOF MAFIA LEADER. You, personally, will be spared from death the first time you are attacked during the night. In addition, you have final say as to who is targetted my the nightkill.

Your mafia consists of Kirika Kure (Strongman, Deamon), Kazumi Subaru (Vanilla Cop, Polybius) and Umika Misaki (Goon, Mimi). You can use this chat to communicate during the night. During the night the mafia as a whole can choose one person to kill. Your nightkill will go through Kirika unless she is killed, at which point it will defer to Kazumi, Umika, and Oriko, in that order. Oriko has final say on who is targetted by the nightkill.

As Oriko is a known dangerous entity, a potential safe claim for you is Kaoru Maki.

You win with the Mafia when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Deamon
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You are Kirika Kure!


Eccentric and rash, your devotion to your closest friend, Oriko, is an overwhelming force in your life. You were antisocial and frightened of others before you met her, and she has opened you up to a new world. Because of that you are willing to do absolutely anything for her—up to and including murder, as preventing her vision of the future requires the deaths of many magical girls, and you are just the weapon to carry out that mission.

You are ready and willing to kill on command—you are the MAFIA STRONGMAN.. Until you are killed, the mafia's nightkill will go through you. In addition, once over the course of the game you may choose to use your "strong" kill. This kill will pierce all forms of protection and is guaranteed to destroy its target.

Your mafia consists of Oriko Mikuni (Mafia Leader, dmboogie), Kazumi Subaru (Vanilla Cop, Polybius) and Umika Misaki (Goon, Mimi). You can use this chat to communicate during the night. During the night the mafia as a whole can choose one person to kill. Your nightkill will go through Kirika unless she is killed, at which point it will defer to Kazumi, Umika, and Oriko, in that order. Oriko has final say on who is targetted by the nightkill.

As Kirika is a known dangerous entity, a potential safe claim for you is Sana Futaba.

You win with the Mafia when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Polybius


You're a hotheaded, ditzy and lighthearted girl—and you probably shouldn't be here! You care deeply for your friends and will protect them at all costs, though often your first priority is your stomach. Unfortunately for you, you have amnesia and no memory of your previous life. You are slowly trying to discover who you were and what you're trying to do, though you don't know if you ever want to be your "old" self again. But your lack of memory has caused you to stumble into a bad crowd...

You have a knack for spotting magic, as your hair can sense it from afar—you are the MAFIA VANILLA COP.. At night, you may choose one person to investigate. You will receive results as Vanilla, Not Vanilla, or No Result depending on your target and other circumstances. A Not Vanilla result encompasses all roles outside of Vanilla Townie, Mafia Goon, and Serial Killers without additional powers.

Your mafia consists of Oriko Mikuni (Mafia Leader, dmboogie), Kirika Kure (Strongman, Deamon) and Umika Misaki (Goon, Mimi). You can use this chat to communicate during the night. During the night the mafia as a whole can choose one person to kill. Your nightkill will go through Kirika unless she is killed, at which point it will defer to Kazumi, Umika, and Oriko, in that order. The current killer has final say on who is targetted by the nightkill.

As Kazumi is not a known dangerous entity, a safeclaim should not be necessary.

You win with the Mafia when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Mimi
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You are Umika Misaki!


An accomplished author, you often appear cold to people who don't know you well, though you are a cheerful person at heart—you simply know how to keep your cool and analyze things from a distance. Your wealth allows you to take care of yourself and your friends with ease, including Kazumi, your trouble-making friend who has recently come down with a bad case of amnesia. She's gotten into a spot of trouble, and you've found yourself sucked into it too...

Despite your power, right now you are simply a MAFIA GOON. Your only allies are your wits, your vote, and your team nightkill. Use them wisely and well!

Your mafia consists of Oriko Mikuni (Godfather, dmboogie), Kirika Kure (Strongman, Deamon) and Kazumi Subaru (Vanilla Cop, Polybius). You can use this chat to communicate during the night. During the night the mafia as a whole can choose one person to kill. Your nightkill will go through Kirika unless she is killed, at which point it will defer to Kazumi, Umika, and Oriko, in that order. The current killer has final say on who is targetted by the nightkill.

As Umika is not a known dangerous entity, a safeclaim should not be necessary.

You win with the Mafia when all opposition has been defeated.
[+] Cactus
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You are Sasa Yuuki!


You are a very dangerous girl—manipulative, haughty, and vicious. You are capable of surprising charisma and can easily control others, but you prefer to use your power to control witches themselves, using them to destroy your enemies. Your body count is high, and those that fear you are plentiful—but you're more than capable of putting on a mask and appearing sweet and dependable.

A magical girl of your capabilities could only be a serial killer—more specifically, a 1x BULLETPROOF SERIAL KILLER. At night, you must choose one person to kill. You will be spared from death the first time you are attacked during the night. In addition, you are immune to Cop investigations.

As Sasa is a known dangerous entity, a potential safe claim for you is Riz Hawkwood.

You win when all other players are dead, whether you are alive or not.
[+] actions + notes
NAR Guidelines:
1. blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper)
2. Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard)
3. Deamon (Kirika Kure, Mafia Strongman), Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer), Ruggahissy (Tart, Non-Consecutive Vigilante)
4. MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith)
5. Polybius (Kazumi, Vanilla Cop)
6. Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower)


Day 1:

Final Vote (10 to lynch):
MethodicalSlacker - 7 (Emprexx Plush, Jilly, blastinus, General Goose, Primrosette, Polybius, Cactus)
Emprexx Plush - 1 (Riki)
KamiKaze - 1 (MurderWeasel)
Mimi - 1 (dmboogie)

No Lynch

Notes: No real surprises except that MS must have been kicking himself for messing around with the role flavor. First day is when people latch onto literally anything out of the ordinary. He managed to make it to the last day anyway though, so no harm no foul really.

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Night 1:
blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper) - Deamon (Kirika Kure, Mafia Strongman) - Kirika is Roleblocked
Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard) - No Action
Deamon (Kirika Kure, Mafia Strongman) - Jilly (Tsuruno Yui, Vanilla Townie) - Roleblocked by Jailkeeper
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - dmboogie (Oriko Mikuni, 1x Bulletproof Mafia Leader) - Bulletproof activated
Zetsu (Tart, Non-Consecutive Vigilante) - Irina Ivanov (Yachiyo Nanami, Vanilla Townie) - Yachiyo is Killed
Murderweasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith) - Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower) - No Gun
Polybius (Kazumi, Vanilla Cop) - MethodicalSlacker (Felicia Mitsuki, Vanilla Townie) - Vanilla
Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower) - dmboogie (Oriko Mikuni, 1x Bulletproof Mafia Leader) - Took no action.

Deaths: Irina Ivanov (Yachiyo Nanami, Vanilla Townie)

Notes: Oh, this one was fun. Fun fact: before Zetsu swapped in for Rugga, Rugga had chosen to perform no action as Tart, meaning there would have been no kill on the first night. Had that happened, blast likely would have (correctly) concluded that Deamon was Mafia, since he roleblocked him, and blast may have gotten Deamon killed sooner. As it is, when Zetsu swapped into the spot, she chose to use her action, so we got a nightkill after all, even if it was an ill-advised one. Also interesting is that Paige chose to investigate boogie on the first night; because of the limits of Follower investigations they didn't get any result, as the Mafia Leader does not have a night action personally, leading Paige to erroneously believe that boogie was safe.

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Day 2:

Final Vote (9 to lynch):
Polybius - 9 (Zetsu, MurderWeasel, General Goose, MethodicalSlacker, Primrosette, Emprexx Plush, Cactus, dmboogie, KamiKaze)
Primrosette - 2 (blastinus, Polybius)
blastinus- 1 (Riki)
Emprexx Plush - 1 (BlizzardeyeWonder)

Lynched: Polybius (Kazumi Subaru, Mafia Vanilla Cop)

Notes: Polybius kind of backed himself into a corner here that he couldn't get out of, though it is interesting that he was lynched primarily for something that was entirely true; no one believed that he'd investigated MS the night before, which he had in fact done.

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Night 2:

blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper) - Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard) - Homura is Roleblocked
Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard) - MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith) - Roleblocked by Jailkeeper
Deamon (Kirika Kure, Mafia Strongman) - blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper) - Mami is Killed
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - Zetsu (Tart, Non-Consecutive Vigilante) - Tart is Killed
Zetsu (Tart, Non-Consecutive Vigilante) - Cannot act
MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith) - Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - No Gun
Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower) - blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper) - Jailed

Deaths: blastinus (Mami Tomoe, Jailkeeper), Zetsu (Tart, Non-Consecutive Vigilante)

Notes: It would have been very funny if someone had killed Toben here because the person trying to protect him was in themselves being protected/roleblocked, but no dice. The Mafia gambled by taking the obvious target, the Serial Killer gambled by taking a less obvious one, and they both succeeded. Here Toben investigated Dodd and again came up clean, as Gunsmiths generally cannot detect the Serial Killer. In retrospect I wish I had made that explicit in his role PM.

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Day 3:

Final Vote (8 to lynch):
Deamon - 8 (MurderWeasel, KamiKaze, dmboogie, BlizzardeyeWonder, Cactus, Emprexx Plush, MethodicalSlacker, General Goose)

Lynched: Deamon (Kirika Kure, Mafia Strongman)

Notes: A nice clean lynch from the town. As I said before, I do wish I had made it more clear in the Gunsmith role PM that they cannot detect the Serial Killer, as Toben more or less cleared both Paige and Dodd in his reads here. Additionally it was around this point that Zetsu was swapped a second time into Mimi's prior role as Mafia Goon; I believe it was also Toben who seemed to have suspicions about that, which were more or less accurate; Zetsu was swapped in because Mafia is put at a much more serious disadvantage losing a member to inactivity as compared to Town.

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Night 3:

Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard) - No Action
Zetsu (Umika Misaki, Mafia Goon) - MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith) - Sayaka is Killed
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower) - Yuma is Killed
MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith) - Zetsu (Umika Misaki, Mafia Goon) - Gun
Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower) - KamiKaze (Iroha Tamaki, Vanilla Townie) - Took no action.

Deaths: MurderWeasel (Sayaka Miki, Gunsmith), Emprexx Plush (Yuma Chitose, Follower)

Notes: Toben would have caught Zetsu here if not for him getting killed himself; unfortunately this was where Prim went inactive, so there was no protective role around to save him. Again, the Mafia and the Serial Killer both had the good fortune of picking separate and equally strong targets. There was every chance they'd both choose the same one, and it was lucky for both of them that that didn't transpire.

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Day 4:

Final Vote (6 to lynch):
Primrosette: 5 (Riki, dmboogie, Grim Wolf, Cactus, Zetsu)
Riki: 1 (MethodicalSlacker)

No Lynch
Inactive Killed: Jilly (Tsuruno Yui, Vanilla Townie)

Notes: No lynch here, though a lynch on Prim would have done nothing but sped up the game slightly. Jilly was inactive-killed for being completely absent from the game, and because I judged losing a VT shouldn't hurt too much.

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Night 4:

Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard) - No Action
Zetsu (Umika Misaki, Mafia Goon) - BlizzardeyeWonder (Nagisa Momoe, Miller) - Nagisa is Killed
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - Zetsu (Umika Misaki, Mafia Goon) - Umika is Killed

Deaths: BlizzardeyeWonder (Nagisa Momoe, Miller), Zetsu (Umika Misaki, Mafia Goon)

Notes: Prim is still inactive, so no protection to be found. This was the only point in the game the SK attacked the Mafia; they were shockingly in-sync for most of the game.

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Day 5:

Final Vote (5 to lynch):
dmboogie: 3 (Grim Wolf, MethodicalSlacker, General Goose)
Primrosette: 2 (dmboogie, Cactus)

No Lynch
Inactive Killed: Primrosette (Homura Akemi, Bodyguard)

Notes: I chose to inactive-kill Prim for the same reason as Jilly. I waited a bit longer as I was hesitant to kill the last really useful town power role, but if it wasn't being used it was just as useless to town as anything else. Had boogie been lynched here there was a decent chance of Town pulling it out, but this was probably the last phase the town had a serious hope of winning the game.

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Night 6:

dmboogie (Oriko Mikuni, Mafia Leader) - Grim Wolf (Kyoko Sakura, Vengeful Townie) - Kyoko is Killed
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - General Goose (Madoka Kaname, Innocent Child) - Madoka is Killed

Deaths: Grim Wolf (Kyoko Sakura, Vengeful Townie), General Goose (Madoka Kaname, Innocent Child)

Notes: Once again, two different targets. This lucky coordination between the Mafia and SK is the biggest reason the SK was able to win; the Town was efficiently whittled down.

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Day 7:

Final Vote (3 to lynch):
Riki: 3 (MethodicalSlacker, Cactus, dmboogie)

Lynched: Riki (Momoko Togame, Vanilla Townie)

Notes: Had boogie or Dodd been lynched here, after Night 7, there would have been one more dayphase at the final 3, where boogie or Dodd just needed to get the other townie lynched to win. Unfortunately there was never much suspicion aimed at either of them. The assumption that there wouldn't be so many VTs in one game proved fatal. There was a very small chance Town could still win if they lynched correctly here, but doing so incorrectly left it as a battle between the Mafia and the SK.

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Night 7:

dmboogie (Oriko Mikuni, Mafia Leader) - KamiKaze (Iroha Tamaki, Vanilla Townie) - Iroha is Killed
Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer) - MethodicalSlacker (Felicia Mitsuki, Vanilla Townie) - Felicia is Killed

Deaths: KamiKaze(Iroha Tamaki, Vanilla Townie), MethodicalSlacker (Felicia Mitsuki, Vanilla Townie)

Notes: At this point Dodd winning was very likely, and Town winning was completely impossible. boogie's only routes for victory were 1. if he and Dodd targetted the same town member, or 2. if he targetted Dodd and Dodd targetted a town member. In either case there would be 3 remaining, going on to a Day 8 where Dodd would win if boogie or the final townie were lynched, and boogie would win if Dodd was lynched. So a pretty hard sell, either way. As it is, since they targeted different town members, Dodd won.

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Final 2: dmboogie (Oriko Mikuni, Mafia Leader) vs Cactus (Sasa Yuuki, Serial Killer)

Mafia automatically kills the opposition when >= half remaining are Mafia; Serial Killer automatically kills the final other person remaining in a final 2 situation

Both kill the other and both die. As the Serial Killer wins when all are killed, Cactus wins.

Notes: The SK is commonly given the win condition of "you win if all are killed, even if you aren't alive yourself" because winning as the SK is generally considered super difficult as it is. I've basically never seen it happen. So this ending was pretty cool, in my opinion.
Some final stuff:

Inactivity bummed me out. There were a couple of day phases where the game looked like it might die entirely, and there were definitely more dropouts than I would have liked. Y'all rallied toward the end, though, once things came down to the wire, and it got interesting again. I ended up being less harsh about inactivity and only inactive-killing people who literally weren't participating at all anymore because the alternative was cutting down most of the town and I super didn't want the game to be decided by inactivity.

The Serial Killer winning is a super unusual outcome, and I think a few unlucky factors for the town and mafia ended up skewing it in his favor:

For the town, obviously inactivity favors scum. Roles were rolled randomly, and the loudest town voices also ended up being important power roles, leading to them being taken out relatively early, before they had much useful information. Additionally, the SK and the Mafia targeting different people every single night very effectively and quickly decimated the town.

For the Mafia, the biggest advantage they hold over the SK is their numbers; you can't really say it was bad luck so much as mistakes in play that got Poly and Deamon lynched, but Zetsu being nightkilled left the Mafia at once member who was actually significantly weaker than the SK at that point.

I worry that I kinda overplanned all the moves and countermoves with the setup, having everything have something else that directly counterbalances it; I personally think the setup was pretty well-balanced overall, and another game with the same setup could easily come up with a Town or Mafia victory. Totally open to setup critiques though, I haven't run a forum game of Mafia, like, ever?

I hope y'all had fun. Outside of worrying about inactivity I had a good time running things. Sorry for rambling, and I'll see y'all in the next one.
"Well, Fenris, the King of Gossip. We meet again."
[+] v7
the dead:
Image[B040] Dante Valerio - Fell asleep too early.
[V7] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: None Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G014] Apollonia "Nia" Karahalios - T-R-I-E-D.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: None Trip: [Start]
Image[B004] Axel Fontaine - Lost his place.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G041] Ivy Langley - Together forever.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]

the living:
ImageArtem Fyodorov - Desperate.
[Meanwhile] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
ImageZen Alicea Feliciano - On vacation!
[Meanwhile] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
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#2

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not gonna lie, it was kinda great how boogie effectively scum-claimed right when it looked like he was about to be lynched and then everybody forgot about it when the next day phase started
[+] The Past
Image Image Image

B003: Jeremy Frasier — "Yeah. No regrets." — 57%
Kills: 2 | Equipped with: Scoped Raging Bull, $1000, Wooden Baseball Bat, Eyepatch, Pancor Jackhammer
PREGAME — Past: ☆ ☆ ☆ | Present: ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ | Sadie Hawkins: ☆ ☆
V6: ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆
THEME: OneRepublic — Love Runs Out

B013: Alvaro Vacanti — "Thank... you..." — 41%
Kills: 3 | Equipped with: MAC-10
PREGAME — Past: ❇ ❇ ❇ | Present: ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ | Sadie Hawkins: ❇ ❇
V6: ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇ ❇
THEME: The Megas — The Haystack Principle

G030: Jasmine King — "I win." — 11%
Kills: 0 | Equipped with: Brass Knuckles
PREGAME — Past: | Present: ☻ ☻ ☻ | Sadie Hawkins: ☻
V6: ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻ ☻
THEME: Luck Ganriki — golden sneer
[+] The Future
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Nicholas "Nick Andretti" Andretti — The Mercenary — "Have a problem? I can help you. For a price."
Clover Wilkinson-Crowheart — The Cryptid — "Don't... talk to me..."
Teddy "Theodore" Berenson — The Crusader — "Be excellent to each other."
Yong Yi "Penny" Yu — The Burnout — "I DO TWO THINGS I RAP AND FUCK"
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#3

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Yugikun wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:07 am not gonna lie, it was kinda great how boogie effectively scum-claimed right when it looked like he was about to be lynched and then everybody forgot about it when the next day phase started
now that i can take my mod hat off and talk like myself and not like a mod person:

YEAH THAT WAS HILARIOUS
"Well, Fenris, the King of Gossip. We meet again."
[+] v7
the dead:
Image[B040] Dante Valerio - Fell asleep too early.
[V7] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: None Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G014] Apollonia "Nia" Karahalios - T-R-I-E-D.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: None Trip: [Start]
Image[B004] Axel Fontaine - Lost his place.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G041] Ivy Langley - Together forever.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]

the living:
ImageArtem Fyodorov - Desperate.
[Meanwhile] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
ImageZen Alicea Feliciano - On vacation!
[Meanwhile] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
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#4

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I had fun!

Well done SK!
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Yugikun wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:07 am not gonna lie, it was kinda great how boogie effectively scum-claimed right when it looked like he was about to be lynched and then everybody forgot about it when the next day phase started
Image

but somehow less so than town
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#6

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I sorta forgot how bad I was at mafia tbh
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#7

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*victory dances*

All I can say is that I'm super fucking glad my gamble of claiming commuter worked out, and I think worked out even better when ALL OF YOU claimed VT (which was like, basically true).

Fun game!
[+] V7

B027 - Morgan Dragosavich: "Now come on, you have a flight to catch."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - P7 - M1 - PPr1 - PPr2 - T1 - T2 - T3

B042 - Connor Lorenzen: "You— you're gonna have to live with this for— for a long time. A long time, and I hope you do, brother. Really."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - M1 - M2 - Pr1 - PoPr1 - T1

B005 - Claudeson Bademosi: "May you see your Redeemer face to face and enjoy the vision of God forever."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 -M1 - VPS - T1

B062 - Jeff Greene: "Wait a minute, you're not Palom—"
Status: DECEASED (adopted from Blastinus)
V7: 9 - 10 - 11

G042 - Ariana Moretti: "You were always here."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - M1 - M2 - M3 - T1 - T2 - T3
[+] Meanwhile...

V7 (2018):

Life; As It Happens

1: The Essay; June 2, 2015
2: The Pizza; June 6, 2015
3: The Leak; June 7, 2015
4: The Safe; June 4, 2018
5: The Call; September 19, 2015

6: Coda
7: The Secret; June 4, 2018
8: ???; June 9, 2018
9: ???; June 10, 2018
10: ???; June 10, 2018
11: ???; September 13, 2018


Ross Miller

1: Shatterday; June 9, 2018
2: I Wait on You Inside the Bottom of the Deep Blue Sea; July 13, 2018 - ongoing

3: ???
4: ???
5: ???

Pregame: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - M1 - M2 - SP - Snapchat

Carl Fredericks/Steven Lorenzen: The Needs of the Many

V6 (2015)
Mrs. Ritch: Sweet Billy
[+] The Past

The Creme de la Creme

V3: B007 - Keith Jackson: At the end of the road he's running, looking back to survey where he's been.
V1/3: B077 - Adam Dodd: You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain. The truth lies somewhere in between.
V1: B087 - Sidney Crosby: It's only cowardice if other people are around to tell you so. Otherwise, it's survival.
V1: B092 - Eddie Serjeantson: Fully in charge, but not much of an arborist.
V2: B013 - Andrew Ponikarovsky: Probably could have used a proper license and a driving lesson.
V1: G005 - Amanda Jones: A breath of fresh air, and in the end, that was all it took.
V3: B099 - John Sheppard: Went out with a bang.
V3: B122 - Ryan Atwell: Couldn't help but write a "Dear John" letter.
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#8

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also for the record if boogie was drunkposting there, i was also drunkposting there, as i did a TON during this mafia game (the beginning, lol)
[+] V7

B027 - Morgan Dragosavich: "Now come on, you have a flight to catch."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - P7 - M1 - PPr1 - PPr2 - T1 - T2 - T3

B042 - Connor Lorenzen: "You— you're gonna have to live with this for— for a long time. A long time, and I hope you do, brother. Really."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - M1 - M2 - Pr1 - PoPr1 - T1

B005 - Claudeson Bademosi: "May you see your Redeemer face to face and enjoy the vision of God forever."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16 - 17 - 18 - 19 - 20
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 -M1 - VPS - T1

B062 - Jeff Greene: "Wait a minute, you're not Palom—"
Status: DECEASED (adopted from Blastinus)
V7: 9 - 10 - 11

G042 - Ariana Moretti: "You were always here."
Status: DECEASED
V7: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5
Pregame: P1 - P2 - P3 - P4 - P5 - P6 - M1 - M2 - M3 - T1 - T2 - T3
[+] Meanwhile...

V7 (2018):

Life; As It Happens

1: The Essay; June 2, 2015
2: The Pizza; June 6, 2015
3: The Leak; June 7, 2015
4: The Safe; June 4, 2018
5: The Call; September 19, 2015

6: Coda
7: The Secret; June 4, 2018
8: ???; June 9, 2018
9: ???; June 10, 2018
10: ???; June 10, 2018
11: ???; September 13, 2018


Ross Miller

1: Shatterday; June 9, 2018
2: I Wait on You Inside the Bottom of the Deep Blue Sea; July 13, 2018 - ongoing

3: ???
4: ???
5: ???

Pregame: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - M1 - M2 - SP - Snapchat

Carl Fredericks/Steven Lorenzen: The Needs of the Many

V6 (2015)
Mrs. Ritch: Sweet Billy
[+] The Past

The Creme de la Creme

V3: B007 - Keith Jackson: At the end of the road he's running, looking back to survey where he's been.
V1/3: B077 - Adam Dodd: You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain. The truth lies somewhere in between.
V1: B087 - Sidney Crosby: It's only cowardice if other people are around to tell you so. Otherwise, it's survival.
V1: B092 - Eddie Serjeantson: Fully in charge, but not much of an arborist.
V2: B013 - Andrew Ponikarovsky: Probably could have used a proper license and a driving lesson.
V1: G005 - Amanda Jones: A breath of fresh air, and in the end, that was all it took.
V3: B099 - John Sheppard: Went out with a bang.
V3: B122 - Ryan Atwell: Couldn't help but write a "Dear John" letter.
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#9

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fenris i thought you said there was no cult in this setup

why did i get turned into a mafia, fen

why

also im pretty enraged that the person who saw fit to nk me twice won the game
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in hindsight, not claiming miller right at the start might have been a somewhat smart move
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Meilin Zhou (Wiki) - DEAD

>Pregame Start: life observes itself
-->Pregame Status: Waltzed out a party with her crush
>Prom Start: Fancy Meeting You Here
-->Prom Status: Taking a dance, taking on the world
>Trip Start: The Best of You
-->Trip Status: Running away from an eyeful of NSFW
>Game Start: Rise Great Undead Lord Dread
-->Game Status (FINAL): Stop hitting yourself

Aesthetics
"No sun to rise would be okay with me... Everyday, every day is okay"
[+] Camilla
Camilla Bell (Wiki) - DEAD

>Pregame Start: Who's Turn Was It, Anyway?
-->Pregame Status: Had more than her fair share of revelry
>Prom Start: Early in the Morning
-->Prom Status: Ditching the drama for blues
>Trip Start: When I'm Gone
-->Trip Status: Preemptively homesick
>Game Start: Bloom Nobly, in a Transient Life
-->Game Status (FINAL): Loved to death.

Aesthetics
"A voice in her head, a voice in her head, screaming all the words that were left unsaid"
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#11

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Actual thoughts: thank you fenris for the game! I thought the balance was pretty good for the most part. I liked that power roles were relatively weak this go-around, since having play swing on a single power role never feels good, and broken interactions are just not fun. Also really appreciated that all the Kyubey posts were in character, which kept the game fun even when inactivity threatened :3

boogie had me fooled when i was town, paige had my number when i came back as scum, mw would've gotten 3 scum if he hadn't died before he got a chance to set a witch hunt on my tail, and winning as serial killer is nothing to be sneezed at even if im still bitter at cactus

If I might change something, it might be removing Serial Killer from our games in the future (and not just cuz I'm bitter). Multiball is dodgy for similar reasons. In inactivity-prone games, having two scum factions means that active townies get nightkilled twice as fast, which means that we go inactive way faster. In addition, both scum factions are incentivized to lurk so as not to appear as too great a threat to the other scum faction--active scum strategies, in other words, are discouraged in such setups. This would be fine if inactivity weren't so normal, because in that case lurking wouldn't actually be such a viable strategy since you'd get lynched for it, but since it is normal, scum is encouraged to lurk.

Calls made on the fly are tough. Loosening activity restrictions can only encourage further lurking, but having games decided by inactivity kills also really suck. There weren't really any good options there, and I think the choices the mod made were reasonable. I might've clarified in the announcement that while inactivity rules would no longer be enforced, players with no posts would still get ding'd, rather than making that clarification in the inactivity kill post itself, but that's fairly minor.
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probably should have said so in the notes but jilly and prim both formally told me that they were out, i only didnt kill them right off because i was fretting over unbalancing things by killing inactives tbh
"Well, Fenris, the King of Gossip. We meet again."
[+] v7
the dead:
Image[B040] Dante Valerio - Fell asleep too early.
[V7] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: None Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G014] Apollonia "Nia" Karahalios - T-R-I-E-D.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: None Trip: [Start]
Image[B004] Axel Fontaine - Lost his place.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]
Image[G041] Ivy Langley - Together forever.
[V7] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start] Trip: [Start]

the living:
ImageArtem Fyodorov - Desperate.
[Meanwhile] [x] [x] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
ImageZen Alicea Feliciano - On vacation!
[Meanwhile] [x]
[Pregame] Then: [Start] Now: [Start] Prom: [Start]
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#13

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aaaaah that makes a lot more sense, then
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see guys look i actually was VT!!!!! i dont understand why y'all suspected me im just a happy sappy energetic bouncy wouncy gal!!!! nothing out of character for Methodical Slacker at all in that play nope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! totally solid VT!!!!!!!!!! uh oh!!!!!!!!!! BYE felicia (mitsuki)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[+] Recommended Reading Order
—The Heaven Panel—



Image / Image - G051: Lili Williams: 1. Kidnapped from her school trip and thrown into a horrific death game, Lili wanders the wasteland in search of her past life before it slides away from her for good.

Meanwhile 1. From Here On Out [Complete] Marie Bernstein eats ice cream with her friend and gets a text message.

Image / Image - B043: Arthur Bernstein: 2. Arthur watches the waters from the beach, knowing that their presence spells death. Seeking his sister's comfort, he takes up the spear and walks alongside another.

Meanwhile 2. Colorless [Complete] A family reunion under less than ideal circumstances. When trying to unravel the mystery of her brother's death at the hands of esoteric serial terrorists, Marie discovers more than she bargained for.

——The Earth Panel——




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Image - G026: Liberty "Bert" Wren: 3. It is happening again. To make things right, Bert must understand where things went wrong.

Image - B049: Max Rudolph: 4. The words we use to construct our realities often also make up the links in our chains. Fleeing a vision, Max builds his most elaborate prison yet.

Image - B032: Lucas Diaz: 5. A life lived through the views of others. In pursuit of revenge and his own death, Lucas Diaz interrupts the falling of many dominos.

Meanwhile 3. Because We Love You [Complete] Selections from a Google Drive, never to be logged into again.

Meanwhile 4. The Lines We Draw [Complete] In the process of collecting his brother's memories, Milo Diaz has a fitful morning.

Image - G007: Violet Schmidt: 6. The stars in the night sky do not make pictures. Breathing on both sides of the water, Violet Schmidt journeys to escape the confines of her own mind, and her reality.

Meanwhile 5. Years of Pilgrimage [???] Dana Schmidt is dreaming.

Meanwhile 6. Colorless II [Ongoing] Charlie Bernstein returns to the desert and finds it empty.

Meanwhile 7. Writing the Enigma [Ongoing] Randy Rudolph provides lodgings for Marie Bernstein as she investigates Survival of the Fittest, the city of Chattanooga, and the meaning of water.
———The Hell Panel———


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#15

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half the people on that train were scum (and the other half i found to be sus af, sorry irina but if i hadnt nk'd you i wouldve tried to lynch you the next day)
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