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Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:56 am
by Zetsu
There can be a roleblocker if the roleblocker has to choose between killing and roleblocking, and can’t do both
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:59 am
by Fenris
ive never personally seen a mafia where thats a thing (any non-killing role cant do their action on the same night they perform the nightkill) but a glance at the wiki tells me that Is a thing. i will venture once more into the cold abyss of tapa
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:13 am
by Zetsu
fen no don't it's not worth it fen
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:18 am
by dmboogie
yknow im kind of wary about how this plan involves solving the setup and not scumhunting
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:18 am
by Fenris
hello so result of my journey primarily is that ricky has never
not had a roleblocker in his mafias, but they've also never had a restriction against blocking in the same night they kill, at least not stated in their role pms.
also most of ricky's games have been really wild and experimental and this one is really quiet by comparison lmao
anyway thats kind of an inconclusive result. i agree that a theoretical mafia roleblocker would have done some combo of kill/block me and jace, and it seems fairly unlikely to me based on Tapa Evidence that said theoretical mafia roleblocker would be unable to kill and block in the same night, which means its unlikely the theoretical mafia roleblocker exists, which leads us back to there probably being a godfather again
i dont know i have a headache
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:21 am
by Fenris
boogie help say something smart
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:23 am
by Zetsu
i mean if y'all wanna ISO i'll read 'em
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:24 am
by Fenris
i was gonna iso yugi but i forgot. i can do that
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:28 am
by Zetsu
no obligation to! that was mainly directed @boogie
@boogie do you have any objections to winning the game by solving the setup? i dont really feel it goes against the spirit of the game
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:33 am
by Fenris
i wanna be productive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:36 am
by dmboogie
i mean it's not a moral objection or anything it just kind of feels like there's a danger of falling victim to assumptions
like, are you so willing to bet that yugi isn't the godfather that you'll list
we lynch me/yugi
Irina kills no one
fen gets an innocent result on me/yugi
we lynch irina as only plausible godfather
as the ironclad roadmap for what happens if we lunch you? if yugi is the godfather, you've given him a clear path to victory if everyone else follows your plan
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:43 am
by Zetsu
yeah i'm willing to bet that. If this weren't a largely vanilla game, i'd be more amenable to arguments that ricky didn't balance things right, since it's much easier for unforeseen interactions to take place in that case. Making sure cop can't run riot over the scum team is much easier in a game like this, though. like, ricky would have to be going out of his way to fuck with scum if he included a cop, a doctor, and a backup doctor, and no roleblocker or strongman to deal with that, you know?
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:45 am
by dmboogie
Zetsu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:43 am
yeah i'm willing to bet that. If this weren't a largely vanilla game, i'd be more amenable to arguments that ricky didn't balance things right, since it's much easier for unforeseen interactions to take place in that case. Making sure cop can't run riot over the scum team is much easier in a game like this, though. like, ricky would have to be going out of his way to fuck with scum if he included a cop, a doctor, and a backup doctor, and no roleblocker or strongman to deal with that, you know?
see, there's also the miller and the PGO, though. the PGO obviously worked in our favor this game but MeS could've easily wound up killing Fen. there are clearly efforts made in the setup to mitigate cop, and a godfather would fit in nicely with that
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:06 am
by Zetsu
i see your point but tbh that's nowhere near enough if there's a backup doctor. with doc and backup doc, cop is practically impossible to kill without a strongman; since doctors tend not to claim unless there's a massclaim, odds of eliminating them both in order to get a shot at killing the cop in anything resembling a reasonable time frame is low. the only way cop dies with a doc and a backup doc in play is if they hit the PGO in that case. if the PGO claims then that's that out the window.
tl;dr way too easy to get an unkillable cop whose investigations will always go off in this case. even with the occasional incorrect investigation, that's ridonkulous.
Re: SotF Board Mafia Game Thread!
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:13 am
by dmboogie
see but i feel like the possibility of that happening is lower than you'd think; cops usually dont claim until mid-lategame which is plenty of time for things to go wrong if the doc isn't protecting them
like yeah i guess with that setup if the cop claimed on day 1 you'd essentially have an unkillable cop but that would never happen in actual play